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I am engaged to the most caring women i have ever met, she ...
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I am engaged to the most caring women i have ever met, she cares more about every one around her more than her self and will go with out just so she can give to others especialy her two children, Iam 55 years old and she is 38 she has ben married two times before her first husband was abusive and would not work, from listening to her, her second marraige failed because of her two childrens selfishness and disrespect for others and there uncaring atitudes. I was married before also for 36 years and raised four children of my own (my wife died three years ago) I have never seen children act in this manner before there recent epasode involved her 17 year old son who lives with his father who has gotten his girl friend pregnant and has walked away from her, there was a babby shower for his ex girl friend this weekend,and he told her not to invite his mother, when she called her son to find out why thats all he said to her is I know its hertfull but thats what i wanted because i don't want you involved with her family, he has ben mad at his mother since she asked him to do some yard work while he was visiting here on his school vacation and told her no Iam on vacation and Iam not doing any thing and besides you don't work its your job and after her and I disscused his actions we decided to bring him back home if he wasn't going to abide by our rules when he visits and the total lack of respect,( thats all he wants to do is play video games and make messes for his mother to pick up and waite on him hand and foot. there is no disaplin in the other house hold and the children are left to make there own deshisons on what they do, now her daughter that is 13 is acting in the same manner as her older brother, especialy when she returns from her fathers after spending the weekend, we need advice on how to handle such total disrespect and uncaring attidudes the daughter lives with us and lately she wants to go to her fathers more and more because she doesn't have to do any thing over ther they live in an appartment and I own my own home which is twice as big as there appartment and the up keep is more and we pay her daughter to do thins but half the time she gives us excuses why she cant do her chores, but she is allways asking us to take her shopping or to do things, if her mother cooks a meal she doesn't like it or if her mother buys her something its not good enough, what do we do, and sending her to live with her father is not the answer.
The only thing I might add is that when my fiancee was married to her second husband her son would not abide by the rules and was veryhard to handle for her and her new husband so she talked it over with her first husband and they decided he would go live with his father because he could handle him better, the father use to be realy strict back then and just about a year ago he has done a 360 on what he will let the chrildren doand like I said earlyer he lets them make thereown deshions, my its due to my fiancee taking him back to court for more child support this last year she now gets $100 a week after paying her $50 a month for 10 years, this man is a total control freak and this 360 chang is not normal for him maybe he's just trying to lure the daughter over to his side so she will want to move in with them so he can get rid of the new child support, but there is still the atitudes from the children to deal with

Edited by Customer (name blocked for privacy) on October 4 2005 at 4:10 PM

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October 6 6:17 AM (2 days and 19 hours later)
         
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Hi Ray,

Let's talk man-to-man, OK?

Your fiancé's kids are brats -- plain and simple. That said, they didn't get that way completely on their own. Here's what I mean:

Their mom 'doing for them' has spoiled them -- because they were never taught respect, let alone how to be grateful.

Like most kids of divorce, they have learned how to 'play' their parents -- they are after the best deal they can get -- which right now looks like living with their dad. By the way, you're probably right about dad wanting the daughter to move in with him, in order to get out of paying child-support.

Also, like most kids of divorce, they are angry with her mom from having someone in her life -- it doesn't matter whether their mom and dad were happy together or not -- at a primal level, kids believe that their parents should be together -- and they probably won't outgrow this attitude.

Because of this attitude, your fiancé's children see you as an interloper -- and probably always will. The fact that you are a lot older than their mother only makes things worse. Yes, they need disciplinarian -- but they will never 'buy into' you being in that role.

So who does that leave to mind the store? Forget Dad -- he has sold his soul by taking the easy way out with his kids -- his main concern is to not be the one they are hassling -- and, if his ex-wife is made more miserable in the bargain -- so much the better.

Well, how about their mother? If she is the selfless person you say she is -- no doubt she is carrying a lot of guilt about her children -- it doesn't matter whether the guilt is earned -- or not. Kids 'smell' guilt like a dog smells fear -- and these brats are not above using their mom's guilt to manipulate her. In other words, your fiancée is unlikely to become an effective disciplinarian for her children -- at least until season hockey tickets go on sale in a very, very hot climate.

Please know that I am not saying that your fiancée is a bad person -- I am also not saying that she doesn't love you -- but, for good or bad -- because of the family history involved and because of the type of person your fiancée is -- her children will, in all likelihood, always be a a higher priority with her than you are. You need to know that going in.

One final -- and very important -- note of caution... -- because your fiancé's 13-year-old daughter is living in your house -- you are a prime target for being accused (by the daughter) of sexual and/or physical abuse.

Do not -- under any circumstances -- ever be alone with her, not even in the car. Also, as I've said before you should not bethe one to discipline -- but if you do, make very sure that you never lay a hand (or anything else) on her -- if you do, no matter how good your intentions, you could easily live to regret it.

I strongly recommend that you and your fiancé get some counseling -- and while you're at it, ask the counselor about the possibility of family counseling -- involving you, your fiancé, and her daughter.

Let me know if you need more input. If not, thanks for the opportunity to assist you... Please honor my efforts by pushing the green 'Accept' button (located within this post -- above-right). Adding a bonus -- should you wish to do so -- would be warmly welcomed.

Good Luck!

Steve

Edited by Oreport on October 6 2005 at 6:25 AM



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